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I love v.3 in the Message: God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn’t deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant.
We don’t seem to be able to get away from the subject of predestination v.29. Last time I was in this discussion Jon mentioned that the scriptures that speak of predestination do not have to do with individuals, more commonly, they seem to point to groups of people. I hadn’t realized that but it makes a big difference. For example in the next chapter 9:5 Paul is talking about how God chose the Jews and it is from them the human ancestry of Christ is traced. Yet God had no problems including a couple of Gentiles in the line (Rahab & Ruth). So maybe we take the whole predestation thing too specifically maybe it is meant to be a more general thing like God choosing the Jews.
i liek that message remix there
RO 8:28 “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.” so those who love god are those called according to his purpose.
RO 8:29 “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;” the same “those”, the ones who love god and are called accoding to his purpose. so, those who love god, are those who choose to love god freely because true love is nothing that can be coerced. if it is true love, and i don’t think the true god would speak of any other kind in his word like this, must mean people who have freely chosen to love god. predestined that those who freely choose to love god would conform to christ so that christ would be the firstborn of many brothers and sisters.
RO 8:30 “and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”once again, i think the “these” here are the same ones. not any specific person, but rather whoever will. whoever will love him freely has been predestined to be like christ and has been called (through christ’s example and life and spirit), and those who hear this call and respond with faith, these are justified, and the ones who are justified are also glorified.
so look. if you love god freely with everything that you’ve got, have no fear. ever. if you see yourself becoming more like christ, have no fear. for nothing. nothing. NOTHING can ever seperate us from the love of god in christ. now THAT’S good news! that you can be comfortable in the work of the cross for you. and the mercy that is found there along with love and freely lavished grace!
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