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I love v.3 in the Message: God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn’t deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant.
We don’t seem to be able to get away from the subject of predestination v.29. Last time I was in this discussion Jon mentioned that the scriptures that speak of predestination do not have to do with individuals, more commonly, they seem to point to groups of people. I hadn’t realized that but it makes a big difference. For example in the next chapter 9:5 Paul is talking about how God chose the Jews and it is from them the human ancestry of Christ is traced. Yet God had no problems including a couple of Gentiles in the line (Rahab & Ruth). So maybe we take the whole predestation thing too specifically maybe it is meant to be a more general thing like God choosing the Jews.
i liek that message remix there
RO 8:28 “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.” so those who love god are those called according to his purpose.
RO 8:29 “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;” the same “those”, the ones who love god and are called accoding to his purpose. so, those who love god, are those who choose to love god freely because true love is nothing that can be coerced. if it is true love, and i don’t think the true god would speak of any other kind in his word like this, must mean people who have freely chosen to love god. predestined that those who freely choose to love god would conform to christ so that christ would be the firstborn of many brothers and sisters.
RO 8:30 “and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”once again, i think the “these” here are the same ones. not any specific person, but rather whoever will. whoever will love him freely has been predestined to be like christ and has been called (through christ’s example and life and spirit), and those who hear this call and respond with faith, these are justified, and the ones who are justified are also glorified.
so look. if you love god freely with everything that you’ve got, have no fear. ever. if you see yourself becoming more like christ, have no fear. for nothing. nothing. NOTHING can ever seperate us from the love of god in christ. now THAT’S good news! that you can be comfortable in the work of the cross for you. and the mercy that is found there along with love and freely lavished grace!
v.5-6 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace.
It is up to us what we set our minds on.
v.32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all.
We have heard this so many times I think we take it for granted, for really it is mind blowing.
v.4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit
The righteous requirements of the law are fully met IN US because Jesus died and we now live according to the Spirit.
v.23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
What we experience now is only the firstfruits but one day we will experience the whole crop!
v.1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
No condemnation! We are eternally secure.
v.3-4 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
(From Constable's Commentary) "The 'law of double jeopardy' states that a man cannot be tried twice for the same crime. Since Jesus Christ paid the penalty for your sins, and since you are 'in Christ,' God will not condemn you.""The law of double jeopardy" is a universally recognized principle of justice."
v.6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
v. 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.
Living by the Spirit is not automatic even though we are saved. It is a mind set, a choice we make, an obligation.
v.17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
As inheritors we inherit both suffering and glory.
v. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
God’s goal is to have people conformed to the image of his Son.
(From Constable's Commentary). "In His infinite wisdom He knows what is needed to bring about that transformation. For some of His own He may need to use hotter fire and strike with harder blows than in His dealings with others to effect the formation of Christ's image in them. This may be because some believers may be more resistant to His moulding activities or are more prone to insist on their own efforts."
From the Message:v.3-4 God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn’t deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant…And now what the law code asked for but we couldn’t deliver is accomplished as we, instead of redoubling our own efforts, simply embrace what the Spirit is doing in us.
We don't try harder we embrace what God's Spirit is doing in us.
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