Here’s how the study works: Read the chapter mentioned in the heading several times during the week and share any words, thoughts, verses that stood out to you. Having a week for a chapter creates the opportunity to reread it several times and make additional comments as you feel inclined as well as make comments on other people’s insights.
v.17 really stands out to me, “how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reigh in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.”
The Message talks about “this wildly extravagant life-gift”. Our God is a wildy extravagant gift giver.
v.17 really stands out to me, “how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reigh in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.”
The Message talks about “this wildly extravagant life-gift”. Our God is a wildy extravagant gift giver.
Ro 5:1 “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”
i think this is the heart of what paul has been saying for the first 4 chapters. think about that and let it wash over you. peace with god. we have it. ahhhhh.
and then he goes on to make a radical comparison between adam and christ. the trespass and the gift. it would seem as if the two groups of people whom paul calls “the many” would be one in the same. which has radical implications on our theologies. for if death and sin abounded to “the many” (which is everyone, is it not?) paul asks how much more did god’s gift of grace abound to “the many”. (would that not then also be everyone?)
and he says again, “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.”
pwaslgqe
Ro 5:1 “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”
i think this is the heart of what paul has been saying for the first 4 chapters. think about that and let it wash over you. peace with god. we have it. ahhhhh.
and then he goes on to make a radical comparison between adam and christ. the trespass and the gift. it would seem as if the two groups of people whom paul calls “the many” would be one in the same. which has radical implications on our theologies. for if death and sin abounded to “the many” (which is everyone, is it not?) paul asks how much more did god’s gift of grace abound to “the many”. (would that not then also be everyone?)
and he says again, “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.”
pwaslgqe
wow. i just realized i was posting as my wife. apologies for any confusion.
wow. i just realized i was posting as my wife. apologies for any confusion.
Yes, but it is a gift. I feel “the many” need to accept the gift of grace that is freely offered to all.
Yes, but it is a gift. I feel “the many” need to accept the gift of grace that is freely offered to all.
any reason why you feel this way?
i know that is the more common and traditional interpretation that is offered, but if we are to be true to the text, we must be honest that the text itself doesn’t say that. it is an idea that is certainly imported. the text itself puts forth a parallel between the two groups that, strictly speaking from a textual standpoint, are identical.
are they not?
any reason why you feel this way?
i know that is the more common and traditional interpretation that is offered, but if we are to be true to the text, we must be honest that the text itself doesn’t say that. it is an idea that is certainly imported. the text itself puts forth a parallel between the two groups that, strictly speaking from a textual standpoint, are identical.
are they not?
Yes I know it is the traditional understanding and I find it a bit of a bore to be a traditionalist but in this case I happen to think they are right.
In v.15-17 five times Paul uses the word “gift” and then he starts v.18 with the word “consequently” so v.18-19 are a summary of what has gone before. I think in v.18-19 Paul is ‘standing’ at the cross (“one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men”) looking backwards and forwards.
If we gave someone a present but they left it unopened on the kitchen table we would not consider they had really accepted it. Likewise I think that until people accept the gift of righteousness they remain sinners. “The many will be made righteous” is in the future tense because they haven’t yet accepted the gift. But once they accept the gift they are credited with righteousness at that moment (for example, I no longer see myself as a sinner but rather I see myself as a child of God credited with Christ’s righteousness).
Yes I know it is the traditional understanding and I find it a bit of a bore to be a traditionalist but in this case I happen to think they are right.
In v.15-17 five times Paul uses the word “gift” and then he starts v.18 with the word “consequently” so v.18-19 are a summary of what has gone before. I think in v.18-19 Paul is ‘standing’ at the cross (“one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men”) looking backwards and forwards.
If we gave someone a present but they left it unopened on the kitchen table we would not consider they had really accepted it. Likewise I think that until people accept the gift of righteousness they remain sinners. “The many will be made righteous” is in the future tense because they haven’t yet accepted the gift. But once they accept the gift they are credited with righteousness at that moment (for example, I no longer see myself as a sinner but rather I see myself as a child of God credited with Christ’s righteousness).
v.17 … how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
God's provision of grace is abundant – not barely enough or sufficient but abundant. We can reign in life because of God's abundant provision of grace.
v.17 … how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
God's provision of grace is abundant – not barely enough or sufficient but abundant. We can reign in life because of God's abundant provision of grace.
v.1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God
We have peace with God. No longer is peace something we have to strive for but rather something we accept from God.
v.1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God
We have peace with God. No longer is peace something we have to strive for but rather something we accept from God.
v.6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.
We were powerless to save ourselves.
v.6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.
We were powerless to save ourselves.
v.1-5
Benefits of justification: peace with God; access into grace; know that suffering isn't wasted; Holy Spirit given to us.
v.1-5
Benefits of justification: peace with God; access into grace; know that suffering isn't wasted; Holy Spirit given to us.
v.9-11 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! …Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Saved from our past (v.9) and saved from future judgement (v.9). And enjoying present reconciliation (v.11).
v.9-11 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! …Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Saved from our past (v.9) and saved from future judgement (v.9). And enjoying present reconciliation (v.11).
v.12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.
Here is the doctrine of original sin. We are born in sin.
(From Constable’s Commentary) ”People died before God gave the Mosaic Law. If there is no law, there can be no transgression of law. Since death is the penalty for transgression of law, why did those people die? The answer is they died because they sinned "in" Adam. Adam transgressed God's law in the Garden of Eden, and ever since his descendants have transgressed God's law, not just the Mosaic Law. This accounts for the universality of death.”
v.12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.
Here is the doctrine of original sin. We are born in sin.
(From Constable’s Commentary) ”People died before God gave the Mosaic Law. If there is no law, there can be no transgression of law. Since death is the penalty for transgression of law, why did those people die? The answer is they died because they sinned "in" Adam. Adam transgressed God's law in the Garden of Eden, and ever since his descendants have transgressed God's law, not just the Mosaic Law. This accounts for the universality of death.”
v.15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
(From Constable’s Commentary) "Much more" here shows that Jesus Christ did not just cancel the effects of Adam's sin, but he provided more than Adam lost or even possessed before the Fall, namely, the righteousness of God!
v.15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
(From Constable’s Commentary) "Much more" here shows that Jesus Christ did not just cancel the effects of Adam's sin, but he provided more than Adam lost or even possessed before the Fall, namely, the righteousness of God!
From the Message:
v.1-2 By entering through faith into what God has always wanted to do for us—set us right with him, make us fit for him—we have it all together with God because of our Master Jesus. And that’s not all: We throw open our doors to God and discover at the same moment that he has already thrown open his door to us. We find ourselves standing where we always hoped we might stand—out in the wide open spaces of God’s grace and glory, standing tall and shouting our praise.
What God has always wanted to do for us is set us right with himself, and we find ourselves where we always hoped we would be.
From the Message:
v.1-2 By entering through faith into what God has always wanted to do for us—set us right with him, make us fit for him—we have it all together with God because of our Master Jesus. And that’s not all: We throw open our doors to God and discover at the same moment that he has already thrown open his door to us. We find ourselves standing where we always hoped we might stand—out in the wide open spaces of God’s grace and glory, standing tall and shouting our praise.
What God has always wanted to do for us is set us right with himself, and we find ourselves where we always hoped we would be.