Here’s how the study works: Read the chapter mentioned in the heading several times during the week and share any words, thoughts, verses that stood out to you. Having a week for a chapter creates the opportunity to reread it several times and make additional comments as you feel inclined as well as make comments on other people’s insights.
Tenacity … 🙂
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Tenacity … 🙂
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Yes Valorosa – a worrying situation indeed. I’m back from holidays (though busy catching up) with a couple of thoughts on chapter 12.
The end of chapter 11 concludes the trumpets and the seals and so the “time has come for the judging the dead and for rewarding your servants…” (11:18). Chapter 12 begins with a new line of thought and some feel John is looking back to the time of Jesus’ resurrection which caused Satan’s (the dragon?) ultimate defeat. Yet Satan is given a short time (v.12) to war against the church. The woman is perhaps a picture of the church. The church forms Jesus in its followers and gives birth to more followers.
Yes Valorosa – a worrying situation indeed. I’m back from holidays (though busy catching up) with a couple of thoughts on chapter 12.
The end of chapter 11 concludes the trumpets and the seals and so the “time has come for the judging the dead and for rewarding your servants…” (11:18). Chapter 12 begins with a new line of thought and some feel John is looking back to the time of Jesus’ resurrection which caused Satan’s (the dragon?) ultimate defeat. Yet Satan is given a short time (v.12) to war against the church. The woman is perhaps a picture of the church. The church forms Jesus in its followers and gives birth to more followers.
V.12 gives us three ways to overcome the devil – by the blood of the Lamb, the word of their testimony, and the fact they did not love their lives. We defeat the devil when we have nothing to lose. If we cling to our reputation, our financial security or emotional security we are “loving our own lives” and the devil is able to attack our faith
V.12 gives us three ways to overcome the devil – by the blood of the Lamb, the word of their testimony, and the fact they did not love their lives. We defeat the devil when we have nothing to lose. If we cling to our reputation, our financial security or emotional security we are “loving our own lives” and the devil is able to attack our faith
The woman who gives birth? will she look like Mary? Is the Messiah going to be born again? very strange.
The woman who gives birth? will she look like Mary? Is the Messiah going to be born again? very strange.
oh I see what you mean about the chronology. This is a reference to the birth of Christ the first time. Hah!
oh I see what you mean about the chronology. This is a reference to the birth of Christ the first time. Hah!
Glad you have caught up Deborah.
Some this chapter as a reference to Christ’s birth but others see it as a reference to the resurrection and the birth of the church.
Glad you have caught up Deborah.
Some this chapter as a reference to Christ’s birth but others see it as a reference to the resurrection and the birth of the church.
The 1260 days is alluded to again in v. 14 (also in 11:3) and altogether is mentioned 7 times in the Bible. I googled it! Lots of interesting views there!
Does it refer to something that has already taken place (“the dark ages”?) or something still to come, I wonder.
The 1260 days is alluded to again in v. 14 (also in 11:3) and altogether is mentioned 7 times in the Bible. I googled it! Lots of interesting views there!
Does it refer to something that has already taken place (“the dark ages”?) or something still to come, I wonder.
My friend, Greg, seems to think this chapter is both past and future, meaning there has been a partial fulfillment but there is also a coming fulfillment.
My friend, Greg, seems to think this chapter is both past and future, meaning there has been a partial fulfillment but there is also a coming fulfillment.
Another view is the woman is Israel. There are many OT references to Israel being like a pregnant woman about to give birth: Isaiah 26:17-18; 66:7-9; Jeremiah 4:31; 13:21; Micah 4:10; 5:3 and Israel figuratively gives birth to the Christ.
Another view is the woman is Israel. There are many OT references to Israel being like a pregnant woman about to give birth: Isaiah 26:17-18; 66:7-9; Jeremiah 4:31; 13:21; Micah 4:10; 5:3 and Israel figuratively gives birth to the Christ.
v.17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
The dragon is still mad with God’s people! He continues to engage spiritual warfare against those who are committed to following Jesus.
v.17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
The dragon is still mad with God’s people! He continues to engage spiritual warfare against those who are committed to following Jesus.
v.10-11 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down. They triumphed over him…
Currently Satan is able to accuse us before God (like Job?). However God does not believe the devil’s lies and neither should we. We are able to triumph by the blood of the Lamb, by the word of our testimony and by not loving our lives. God has given us the spiritual weapons to stand against Satan’s attacks.
v.10-11 For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down. They triumphed over him…
Currently Satan is able to accuse us before God (like Job?). However God does not believe the devil’s lies and neither should we. We are able to triumph by the blood of the Lamb, by the word of our testimony and by not loving our lives. God has given us the spiritual weapons to stand against Satan’s attacks.