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1 Thessalonians 5

March 15, 2008

Here’s how the study works: Read the chapter mentioned in the heading several times during the week and share any words, thoughts, verses that stood out to you. Having a week for a chapter creates the opportunity to reread it several times and make additional comments as you feel inclined as well as make comments on other people’s insights.

by Susan Barnes
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Susan Barnes

~ writer of insightful posts about God and faith

18 thoughts on “1 Thessalonians 5”

  1. V.15 in the Message is quite amusing:

    “And be careful that when you get on each other’s nerves you don’t snap at each other.”

    He seems to take it for granted that there will be times when we “get on each other’s nerves”.

  2. V.15 in the Message is quite amusing:

    “And be careful that when you get on each other’s nerves you don’t snap at each other.”

    He seems to take it for granted that there will be times when we “get on each other’s nerves”.

  3. I have brought some more cc cookies and I’m sticking around this time so I can get some ๐Ÿ™‚

    vs 3
    While they are saying, ” Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.

    In Jon’s blog there has been much talk of light and darkness and this passage has shed light on it for me.

    In 1 John 1
    “This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;”

    In Him there is no darkness at all and yet He made darkness. Jon wonders about a dark side of God … (ie) the story of Job and the sort of deal He makes with the devil over Job’s faithfulness.

    This is so cool because here “not being in darkness” means knowing …

    We are children of the light because He has allowed us to know the things He knows. Therefore this is the type of light He is talking about. We do not walk in the darkness and God is light because He knows and has let us into His knowledge pool.

    cool

    This reminds me of this oft misquoted scripture.

    Matthew 24:24
    “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, IF POSSIBLE, even the elect.

    The ‘if possible’ is often left out when this is quoted

    Weird ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. I have brought some more cc cookies and I’m sticking around this time so I can get some ๐Ÿ™‚

    vs 3
    While they are saying, ” Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day We are not of night nor of darkness; so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.

    In Jon’s blog there has been much talk of light and darkness and this passage has shed light on it for me.

    In 1 John 1
    “This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;”

    In Him there is no darkness at all and yet He made darkness. Jon wonders about a dark side of God … (ie) the story of Job and the sort of deal He makes with the devil over Job’s faithfulness.

    This is so cool because here “not being in darkness” means knowing …

    We are children of the light because He has allowed us to know the things He knows. Therefore this is the type of light He is talking about. We do not walk in the darkness and God is light because He knows and has let us into His knowledge pool.

    cool

    This reminds me of this oft misquoted scripture.

    Matthew 24:24
    “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, IF POSSIBLE, even the elect.

    The ‘if possible’ is often left out when this is quoted

    Weird ๐Ÿ™‚

  5. V.23 It is God who sanctifies us, which is good because it means we don’t have to worry about sanctifying ourselves.

  6. V.23 It is God who sanctifies us, which is good because it means we don’t have to worry about sanctifying ourselves.

  7. The NASB says it this way …

    12But we request of you, brethren, that you appreciate those who diligently labor among you, and have charge over you in the Lord and give you instruction, and that you esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Live in peace with one another.

    Yes, I am not disputing leadership but I am disputing what it has become today. I don’t see anywhere where these leaders are fully supported financially by the group of believers. They are obviously teachers and wise people with the gift of pastoring but it does not say they are supported with money. All that is asked here is that they be esteemed highly … repected for their gift and appreciated in whatever way love would lead them to be appreciated.

    Having charge over people to me does not mean that the flock is to sit and not operate in each ones own gift … it simply means to me that they are watching out for the flock …. they in fact are the ones taking care of the flock not the flock taking care of them.

    Keeping wolves at bay …

    Living in peace with one another means serving one another …

  8. The NASB says it this way …

    12But we request of you, brethren, that you appreciate those who diligently labor among you, and have charge over you in the Lord and give you instruction, and that you esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Live in peace with one another.

    Yes, I am not disputing leadership but I am disputing what it has become today. I don’t see anywhere where these leaders are fully supported financially by the group of believers. They are obviously teachers and wise people with the gift of pastoring but it does not say they are supported with money. All that is asked here is that they be esteemed highly … repected for their gift and appreciated in whatever way love would lead them to be appreciated.

    Having charge over people to me does not mean that the flock is to sit and not operate in each ones own gift … it simply means to me that they are watching out for the flock …. they in fact are the ones taking care of the flock not the flock taking care of them.

    Keeping wolves at bay …

    Living in peace with one another means serving one another …

  9. My understanding is that the practice of paying pastors comes from the OT practice of providing for the priests and Levites. When the land was divided up amongst the 12 tribes of Israel the Levites were not given an allotment but rather lived off the tithes from the other 11 tribes. See Deuteronomy 14:27-29, Numbers 18:20-29 and lots of other places.

    In Ezekiel 34 God has a lot to say to the “shepherds of Israel” who were not caring for the flock and in v.10 God says, “I will remove them from tending the flock”. Sometimes we just have to wait for God to remove those people from leadership who are not doing their job. David had to wait a long time for God to remove Saul from leadership.

  10. My understanding is that the practice of paying pastors comes from the OT practice of providing for the priests and Levites. When the land was divided up amongst the 12 tribes of Israel the Levites were not given an allotment but rather lived off the tithes from the other 11 tribes. See Deuteronomy 14:27-29, Numbers 18:20-29 and lots of other places.

    In Ezekiel 34 God has a lot to say to the “shepherds of Israel” who were not caring for the flock and in v.10 God says, “I will remove them from tending the flock”. Sometimes we just have to wait for God to remove those people from leadership who are not doing their job. David had to wait a long time for God to remove Saul from leadership.

  11. No waiting … there are too many of them over here. There are more important things to be doing for God than waiting around for deadbeat pastors to leave lol

    Besides they have a free ride and they aren’t going to leave.

    We are free of the law now and this present system we have wants to keep us under it. It is puzzling that we are in this state at all … but when people don’t understand that we have a Priest who lives forever and don’t need another I guess these things happen.

    Christ is the only priest there is and there is no need for another as He lives forever.

    Our giving is to be to each other so that those who are poor among us lack for nothing and those who are wealthy in money don’t have a lot. “All” gifts are shared. And pastoral gifts are no more important than other gifts … I don’t agree that they should be “completely” supported by one group of people when many have been given gifts to work as well.

    2 Corinthians 8

    Any way I stand against churchies on this issue. If we continue to adopt OT law and this hierarchical state that stresses more importance is attached to one than the other we will just continue to stifle and sedate the sheep.

    Baaaaa …

  12. No waiting … there are too many of them over here. There are more important things to be doing for God than waiting around for deadbeat pastors to leave lol

    Besides they have a free ride and they aren’t going to leave.

    We are free of the law now and this present system we have wants to keep us under it. It is puzzling that we are in this state at all … but when people don’t understand that we have a Priest who lives forever and don’t need another I guess these things happen.

    Christ is the only priest there is and there is no need for another as He lives forever.

    Our giving is to be to each other so that those who are poor among us lack for nothing and those who are wealthy in money don’t have a lot. “All” gifts are shared. And pastoral gifts are no more important than other gifts … I don’t agree that they should be “completely” supported by one group of people when many have been given gifts to work as well.

    2 Corinthians 8

    Any way I stand against churchies on this issue. If we continue to adopt OT law and this hierarchical state that stresses more importance is attached to one than the other we will just continue to stifle and sedate the sheep.

    Baaaaa …

  13. v.4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

    Although I don't know all the details of Christ's return, whether it is premillennial, amillennial, postmillennial but I do know He will return, so I will not be surprised.

  14. v.4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

    Although I don't know all the details of Christ's return, whether it is premillennial, amillennial, postmillennial but I do know He will return, so I will not be surprised.

  15. v.8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

    This is similar to Eph 6:17 "take the helmet of salvation". Interesting that salvation protects our heads, that is minds. The hope of salvation protects us against discouragement, frustration, disillusionment, etc.

  16. v.8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

    This is similar to Eph 6:17 "take the helmet of salvation". Interesting that salvation protects our heads, that is minds. The hope of salvation protects us against discouragement, frustration, disillusionment, etc.

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